berrimar: The Sad Story of St. Cuthbert's Society BC (Durham) B

berrimar (

berrimar) wrote,
@ 2005-03-05 15:48:00

The Sad Story of St. Cuthbert's Society BC (Durham) B
As ever, clicky for bigger.

Not a good day for these girls, really. First they caught a whopping crab:

I only took this picture because it was such a boat stopper, the significance of the boat only became apparent later...
Obviously, they finished the race, and turned and started rowing back, against an admittedly nasty headwind... when they got caught on the black buoy:

No amount of shaking would get them off:

and soon, it was time for "feet out!":

Here we go!

CRACK!!

Well scampered:

Stay with the boat:

There's TWO black Buoys??

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	Oh dear (Anonymous) 2005-03-05 09:54 pm UTC (link)
	Oops, I know their boatman - he won't be happy... makes our crashing in Yorkshire today nothing... Leon (Reply to this)

	saw the boat afterwards... (Anonymous) 2005-03-05 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	... and it was not pretty! how did they manage it- the thing had yellow flashing lights on top and everything! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: saw the boat afterwards... (Anonymous) 2005-03-07 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	You could try going to a proper uni? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	They're all OK (Anonymous) 2005-03-05 10:33 pm UTC (link)
	Talking to some of the rescuers afterwards as I helped to carry the stern part of the broken boat up to Vesta, I understand that the crew and cox are safe and well after their scary experience. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Cant believe it!!! (Anonymous) 2005-03-05 11:38 pm UTC (link)
	I was wondering where Cuths had got to...glad they are all OK (Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: They're all OK - (Anonymous), 2005-03-13 08:54 pm UTC

	Penalised too (Anonymous) 2005-03-06 10:02 am UTC (link)
	Glad that they were rescued safely. I see from the results that they got a time penalty too. David Biddulph (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Glad all are well (Anonymous) 2005-03-06 03:58 pm UTC (link)
	Good to know they were all okay, we were all really worried as it was freezing out there and someone was running around saying they had lost some of them! Conditions were tricky getting back up to the start, so many crews got stuck coming under Putney inside arch too! Hatfielder (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	Cox's Lifejacket (Anonymous) 2005-03-06 05:47 pm UTC (link)
	Any particular reason why the cox decided not to deploy life jacket?! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Cox's Lifejacket (Anonymous) 2005-03-06 06:40 pm UTC (link)
	Was wondering the same thing. I come from another durham college and had heard at first it was our novices, was slightly to discover that it was cuths! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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alex_piggy
2005-03-06 06:41 pm UTC (link)

Hope they're ok. I heard that a few of them were taken to hospital with hypothermia.

Interesting to note that they obviously didn't obey the rule of not stopping to put clothes on before well clear of the black buoy. Looks like the girl at three was halfway through putting her trousers on so they can't have been rowing all eight. That was quite probably one of the factors that led to this happening.

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pictures
(Anonymous)
2005-03-06 07:44 pm UTC (link)

Looked like a really scary experience. Not a good idea to publish picures in such a manner less than 24 hours after the crew suffered what i could only imagine to be a horrendous experience. Rather them than me that's all i can say. Light can me made of this but one must not ignore the serious consequences that could have resulted, which is why i think this link may be a tad inappropriate. Thank goodness the crew and cox are safe, and they should be commended for keeping so calm in the situation.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-06 07:12 pm UTC (link)

Impressed to see that a novice crew kept their heads in such a situation. They had been well informed by their coaches before hand of the capsize drill, possibly a life saver. 99% of crews put their clothes on before reaching the black buoy, maybe the rule should be more strongly enforced? Really impressed with the way fellow Durham colleges and other boat clubs helped out.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-06 08:36 pm UTC (link)

I think that it was totally inappropriate to publish these photos and comments so soon after what could have been a fatal event. The event is under investigation and perhaps the discussion of it could have waited until after this has been completed.
The rowers involved were severely tramatised by the event and have not been helped by these photos and comments.
As rowers should we not be helping and protecting our fellow rowers?
Carol Singleton
Captain Hollingworth Lake Rowing Club-present at WHoRR, parent of rowers, umpire and trained launch driver.

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Safety -

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helping and protecting our fellow rowers - (Anonymous), 2005-03-07 03:26 pm UTC

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	gexko 2005-03-07 09:10 am UTC (link)
	the infamous black buoy claims another victim. shame i'm in thailand and couldn't see it in person. oh well, such a hard life. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-07 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	Nice photo (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	How? (Anonymous) 2005-03-07 10:08 am UTC (link)
	I'm really pleased that everyone got out of the water safely, but just from the point of view of idle curiosity - how did it happen? The Black Buoy is kind of big, and there should be marshals around, not to mention other crews - wasn't someone looking out for these people? Pauline, TSS (Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: How?
(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 11:13 am UTC (link)

All crews had finished racing at least 5 minutes before the incident.
The cuthbeths crew were returning upstream to civil service where they boated from, I missed exactly the beginning of the episode but there were 2 crews side by side with them on the outside and the wind blowing them towards the black (and yellow with flashing lights on top buoy) when i think they decided to easy to change kit....
The stream and wind swung the bows round and then they carried back by stream.

5 or 6 other crew had very similar "near misses" for exactly the same reasons but were experienced / lucky enough to make it a "near miss" rather than an "incident"

I think remaining launches had got called down stream below the finish to keep an eye on the crew spinning and to stop crews trying to go thought the line of boats - as another durham college boat did.

N, TRC

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 11:27 am UTC (link)

I am a member of Cuth's A team and would like to give my opinion about the crash. I think we (A and B team) were well informed about the possible dangers of rowing on the Thames. Accidents can happen to anybody. I think it is very unfair to imply (by showing the catching of a crab earlier that day) that our B team was inadequate to row in this race. I have seen teams that looked less experienced but were just luckier. As mentioned by some people above it was partly thanks to our preparation that nobody got hurt. And my impression from the girls in team B is that they are not heavily traumatised and relieved that they knew how to act when it happened.

I think the response of the rescuers was fantastic.

Ilona (subbing from Ustinov Boat Club)

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 12:31 pm UTC (link)

Glad everyone is ok. I have very clear memories of sinking in exactly the same boat while rowing as a cuths novice a few years ago. Again is was after the race had finished and we hit a submerged concrete block just before the putney club landing area. On that occasion the medical crews on hand were fantastic and we were all treated for exposure very quickly.

Hope it doesn't put anyone off....

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	(Anonymous) 2005-03-07 11:48 am UTC (link)
	if they accepted proper rowers into their university, they might get somewhere. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-07 12:04 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, because rowing is the reason for going to university! ........or not? (Reply to this) (Parent)

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 12:23 pm UTC (link)

I am very disappointed with the comments that are now emerging on this website. It initially began with a serious discussion about the accident and has now deteriorated into a slanging match. Please, let's keep the discussion appropriate. The accident is no reflection on the ability of the rowers of this crew and you would realise this is you were fully informed. They were fully competent rowers. How is the fact that they were provided with free transport relevent whatsoever? And are you suggesting that because they came second to last they shouldn't row? What a ridiculous idea! Somebody must come at the bottom in every race and Hatfield and other college crews are testament to the fact that Durham college crews are valued competitors in the event.

Let's keep this website as a respectable discussion about the accident and learn from it rather than using it as an excuse to bring up the tired discussion about whether college crews should enter.

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	(Anonymous) 2005-03-07 01:21 pm UTC (link)
	I was in a boat that passed this crew as they were starting to get into difficulty and their cox was shouting the wrong instructions he had to be prompted from the bank and from the cox of my crew as to what needed to be done! I think for a race of this kind cox's need to be on the ball and have plenty of experience and use a good cox box. (Reply to this) (Parent)

We can't afford to have these sorts of incidents...
(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 01:06 pm UTC (link)

Each time this sort of thing happens because crews are not competent to deal with the conditions, we are viewed in a bad and dangerous light by the PLA / Lifeboats / Salvage Association who are currently assessing the danger of Tideway Rowing.

Usually the crews screwing up are NON Tideway crews. But the crews that will take the flak if changes are imposed as a result of these sort of accidents will be local crews who are competent in rough, tidal waters - the LRCs/AKs/TRCs/SOTTs/PTRCs, etc. when visiting crews return to their more sheltered waters.

So if we seem to have a Not In My Back Yard approach, then that's why, particularly given the shite conditions for the big heads on the Tideway.

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	Re: We can't afford to have these sorts of incidents... (Anonymous) 2005-03-08 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Is this Neil Jackson talking - because it sounds like the kind of rubbish he spouts. Use your brain, things go wrong, that is life. The main thing is that the system worked and everyone is o/k. You want safe rowing, easy, stay indoors and watch Eastenders or only row at Dorney where you can touch the bottom..... BORING. (Reply to this) (Parent)

We can't afford to have these sorts of incidents... - (Anonymous), 2005-03-08 12:56 pm UTC

Re: We can't afford to have these sorts of incidents... - (Anonymous), 2005-03-08 05:51 pm UTC

Re: We can't afford to have these sorts of incidents... - (Anonymous), 2005-03-08 11:15 pm UTC

Re: We can't afford to have these sorts of incidents... - (Anonymous), 2005-03-09 09:39 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 01:19 pm UTC (link)

As an unbiased observer I whole heartedly agree with the above comment that this discussion has degenerated into unecessary territory. Durham colleges, and in this case St Cuthbert's Society, have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, and, as has been pointed out, many of the Durham college crews came in between 100-200, including St. Cuthbert's S4 crew. In fact, although this serious accident may have been due to inexperience (and bad luck) on the part of some, what must be considered is the outstanding way in which this novice crew handled the situation, made possible from their pre-race training and safety talks, and the brilliant response from rescuers, other Durham colleges and other boat clubs. Unhelpful and derogatory comments like some of those posted above are written by people who are apparently ill informed about much of the days events, and ignorant of the details about the training and competence of the crew in question. Let's let the ARA investigation draw its own informed conclusions and just be thankful that all the crew escaped unhurt from what could have been a tragedy.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 01:34 pm UTC (link)

I'd like to say how relieved I am to hear that all those involved in this incident are alive and well.

However, there's no point saying how great the girls were once they ended in the water, or how they were just unlucky. Luck has nothing to do with it. They didn't have the watermanship skills needed to cope with the Tideway, and so they were swept onto the Black Buoy and ended up in the river.

I think less experienced crews should continue to enter and race at Tideway Heads, as these events do give crews something to aim for. However, they should be fully prepared before racing, e.g. coxes being briefed about coxing on tidal rivers, and coaches/captains should be realistic about whether their crews will be able to cope with the Tideway. In this case, it's great that they knew what to do when their boat snapped in half, but would it not be better if they knew they should stay away from the Black Buoy/bridges/moored boats etc in the first place?

Thanks to Berrimar for posting these photos - they have provided a great teaching example for crews entering the remaining Tideway Heads (SHORR and HORR).

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Pulling a boat or body off a Buoy
(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 02:40 pm UTC (link)

You use your throw bag.
Throw, secure your end to the launch (if you find yourself on your own). Request that they do the same in boat, to the rigger so if it does pull the rigger off the hull remains intact. Tow (gently) into the stream to pull the hull off and then tow to the side
I have to say once in this situation getting off the buoy was probably not going to happen. Anyone who has snared a buoy or moored object on the tideway will know the feeling, you have to be very good or very lucky to get off in one piece.
As for removing the girl from the Buoy, again throw bag. Make sure she has a secure grip stand off and up stream to the buoy. You then tell her to jump into the water as far out from the buoy as possible if necessary tow her clear of the buoys further down river before cutting your engine and retrieving her. Why tow her? The buoys are moored so that you will be swept back on somewhere around Vesta while attempting to pull her on board if on the outside, inside is not an option since you will be swept onto an eight rowing up river.
Would all clubs/schools where ever you are make sure that your coaches have throw bags or home made equivalent in their launch, on their bike or in their coaching single.
Aside from that well done to the girls for staying with the two halves!!!!
Very well done to all those in the launches who pulled them out, off all are safe.

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	Re: Pulling a boat or body off a Buoy (Anonymous) 2005-03-07 09:23 pm UTC (link)
	I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND NOT PULLING BOATS. I KNOW BOATIES HAVE A TENDENCY TO HAVE STRANGE SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, BUT PEOPLE ARE USUALLY FAR MORE RESPONSIVE, AND A LITTLE LESS WOODEN (Reply to this) (Parent)

competencey
(Anonymous)
2005-03-07 03:05 pm UTC (link)

The cox in question WAS briefed about coxing on the Tideway and DID see the video, more than once in fact. I think the feelings of the girls should be considered in this discussion, as it may upset them, because it was clearly a frightening experience. Well done to them for coping well under the circumstances and especially well done to the fast response of the guy in the rescuing boat. I think he should be commended.

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	Re: competencey (Anonymous) 2005-03-07 04:38 pm UTC (link)
	Save chip. Dont let sarah win (Reply to this) (Parent)

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Wait
(Anonymous)
2005-03-08 09:03 am UTC (link)

Fascinating to read the comments here regarding the incident. It is always interesting to hear differing versions and perceptions of events.

Perhaps it would be prudent to wait for a full account of the incident prior to apportioning blame on any one party.

Did any of you realise that the entire safety team is kept in place until after the last returning crew is well clear of the black buoy?

The marshall on the bank reported the incident by radio to race control as soon as the crew got into difficulty. He was already in a launch when he made a second call to report that the crew were going into the water.

The safety boat which had spent the entire race above black buoy had been responding to a request for assistance from the finish safety boat because a total of eight crews were either caught on buoys or grounded below putney rail bridge. (Given that all the crews had raced past the buoy at that time it would appear to be a reasonable decision). That boat which was opposite putney pier when called, then raced back to the black buoy to lend assistance. Two further boats, the PLA and RNLI were also requested to help and until the crew were confirmed safe they swept the area to check for further people in the water.

Crews will always get into difficulty during a race. St Cuthberts were particularly unlucky but in total 15 crews were reported to have engaged with the bank or buoys. The majority were not tideway crews but some were. Every year on average 1 crew end up in the water.

With 4 1/4 miles of river to patrol, even with 9 safety boats, three ambulances, three doctors, three PLA vessels, two RNLI boats and 40-50 marshals and umpires accidents will happen.

Lets be thankful that all are safe, non required hospitalisation and the only damaged items are a boat and some pride.

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Tideway Slag?
(Anonymous)
2005-03-08 09:14 am UTC (link)

Does anyone know why The Tideway Slug is so bitter? Comments suggesting that coaches/ crews from Durham colleges shouldn't be down here are unhelpful. Slagging off coxes that don't steer a correct line at the Schools Head are unreasonable. There are many a twickenham crew that show the 'muppetry' always reserved for our Tideway visitors. The Tideway Slug suggests that particularly Durham college crews should have there own bumps races and not dare to set foot on the tidal Thames- out of the last 50 placed crews at Womens Head, 20% row on the tideway day in day out! The Tideway Slug also states that only 165 crews raced at Womens Head, shouldn't that be 265. Certainly 249 got finish times. Oh and I suspect the reason the entry was not higher this year is because the race took place 2 days before Schools Head. The Slug should know enough about rowing to realise that school crews asked to race the Head course twice in 48 hours would probably be a bit tired for the one that counts. Come on Slug- stop being so bitchy!

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	Re: Tideway Slag? (Anonymous) 2005-03-08 10:58 am UTC (link)
	Well said Plus Cambrige bumps excluded any of the Cambridge colleges entering. Those who can, row. Those who can't, bitch about it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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Re: Tideway Slag? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-25 11:29 am UTC

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-08 11:03 am UTC (link)
	well if you will have a smurf as your 5 man, these things are bound to happen... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-10 06:39 pm UTC (link)
	Hilarious!!!!!! (Reply to this) (Parent)

What happened first?
(Anonymous)
2005-03-08 11:05 am UTC (link)

Could I just ask the photographer, or anyone on the scene, what happened before the pictures we see here? It appears that the boat has drifted onto the black buoy, sterwards and to bowside. Is this the case? Here I am implying that the crew possibly rowed past the black buoy and then drifted back onto it. I suppose another possibility is that the crew have rowed through the black buoy on their way past it. ALthough I would have thought if that were the case oars closer to the bows would have become entangled.
It has been suggested that 3 was in the process of putting on her leggings at the time and that the full crew were not rowing. Is this the case?
In the photos you have provided we can see clearly that the only oar to be infringed by the black buoy is 7s. I don't understand why at the very least bow 4 could not row on and therefore release the boat. in fact in the first picture bow and three are sitting quite nicely at backstops. I would suggest that in this situation it would have been quite easily solved at this first picture stage by bow 4 (or even 5) rowing on.
I'm concerned that 6 is holding on to the buoy. Why is this? It appears that in the next picture the BB has been pulled even closer to the boat, thus lifting 5s blade over the top of it and leaning the boat precariously on to strokeside. Again I find it hard to understand how this as happened as in pic1 5 seems to be in control of her oar.
This seems to have been an incident that could have been avoided very easily. The black buoy is notorious. I believe it was the late great Harry Mahon who said "There are two things visible from space. One of them is the Great Wall of China, the other is the f'ing black buoy!".
I do think that it is made quite clear to stay clear of it. This could all have been avoided if this crew had done so.
Beyond that it does seem that either the inexperience of the cox and crew has turned an embarassing but easily solvalble mistake in to an extremely dangerous near tragedy.
Let this be a lesson to us all.

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Re: What happened first?
(Anonymous)
2005-03-08 02:44 pm UTC (link)

Firstly the 2 objects visible from space comment belongs to Alan Hawes who has just retired after 30+ years as the thames regional water safety adviser.
I didn't see the very beginning of the incident so can't comment on that (I saw what happened from about 10 second before the first incident photo). When I arrived on the scene in a launch (incident photo 2) the hull was already bending/buckling where it was in contact with the buoy (effectively pinning the side of the boat to the buoy) and bow four who were trying to row on at that time were having no success in rowing the boat off the buoy.

The tideway is a very powerful river. The boat bows were pushed round by the stream (running at about ~1.5m/s) closer to the black buoy not the being buoy pulled closer to the boat (by the 6 girl??) as you seem to suggest.
(the stream is fastest about 5 metres to the far side of the buoy)
From what i saw the 6 girl was trying to push the boat off the buoy rather than hold on to it.

N, TRC

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berrimar, 2005-03-08 04:20 pm UTC

Re: What happened first? - (Anonymous), 2005-03-08 11:38 pm UTC

	Oh Cuths. (Anonymous) 2005-03-08 11:06 am UTC (link)
	What would Ian Lawson say?... (Reply to this)

Durham colleges not to do tideway... are you stupid?
(Anonymous)
2005-03-08 11:26 am UTC (link)

Anyone who suggests that Durham colleges shouldn't do Tideway need their heads examined. College rowing is a great opportunity for those who don't want to or can't row at top level to be involved in the sport. Rowing for DUBC requires an enormous commitment and many fine rowers choose to enjoy other things at uni but still want to row - hence the role for colleges. Many of these crews are considerably better than most comedy uni squads and in good years they sometimes beat crews from big clubs. All you have to do is look at the Cuths mens crew from a few years ago that became the first Durham college VIII to qualify for Henley and the Hatfield women of a few years back. The colleges also feed through to the DUBC squad and vice versa i.e. people fed up with uni 'retire' to their college crews. Novices need to start somewhere and everyone's been a novice once. They need and want the experience of big races and someone has to come last. Suggesting that they not row at Tideway is simply ridiculous. What does need to be addressed is the organisation at some of these clubs. An inexperienced cox should never be taking a novice crew to Tideway. Coaches need to address these situations. If conditions are so bad that it is not safe for a novice crew to boat then the race organisers should take the decision to call off the novice category.

If we're going to go down this road then here's a suggestion: let's ban gash crews completely. It'll be an awfully lonely sport in a few years. Respect to the cuths girls for keeping their heads and dealing with the situation as well as they did.

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	Re: Durham colleges not to do tideway... are you stupid? (Anonymous) 2005-03-08 11:38 am UTC (link)
	Did they keep their heads and deal with the situation well? (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	(Anonymous) 2005-03-08 02:45 pm UTC (link)
	Our novice crew whilst in their marshalling position,were hit by Thames who rowed into them full pelt. So it isnt always bumbleef*ck colleges that make stupid mistakes! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	stop complaining!!! (Anonymous) 2005-03-11 08:55 am UTC (link)
	UEA - so renowned for top rowers... the marshalls agreed it wasn't thames' fault - stop complaining!!!! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: stop complaining!!! - (Anonymous), 2005-03-16 03:29 pm UTC

	COX COX COX WERES THE COX (Anonymous) 2005-03-08 05:32 pm UTC (link)
	How the hell could the cox not see the yellow buoy aka the big black 1,not like its a little thing its bloody huge,will laugh so much if the cox has 2 pay for the damage!hehehehehehe,and yer what happened 2 staying with the boat,sod your life its about staying with the boat till it sinks!!!!!! (Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: COX COX COX WERES THE COX
(Anonymous)
2005-03-09 08:54 am UTC (link)

For goodness sake
It's not that the cox didn't see the buoy, i'm sure. It's not like it happened during the race. It's more that once too close they didnt' have the neccesary skill to get back off it, which is their fault for stopping too near and getting pushed on, and the coaches fault for putting out at crew without a competant cox / without being fully briefed.
It may have been easier for crew to stay with the boat if it had been more buoyant. Please, lets make sure that all boats are buoyant enough to deal with these mistakes

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	(Anonymous) 2005-03-08 11:28 pm UTC (link)
	\it would be interesting to see if there would be such a debate if it was an Oxbridge college crew that sank. Magdelene Cambs (B?) didnt do very well as i recall, if it had been them would any one suggest they dont enter simply because the Cam is nothing like the thames? i seriously doubt it! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-09 10:56 am UTC (link)
	YES - they're not exempt simply because they're from cambridge. However Oxford / Cambridge colleges rarely send B crews to these events - with Durham it seems the norm, look at the men's head draw if you don't believe me. Mind you does anyone want to hedge a bet on the quality on Manchester university's 7th crew on Saturday week... (Reply to this) (Parent)

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-09 11:55 am UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-03-09 06:43 pm UTC

touchy touchy - (Anonymous), 2005-03-10 01:22 pm UTC

Re: touchy touchy - (Anonymous), 2005-03-10 03:40 pm UTC

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